Thinky post is thinky

[bunnylove]

If they had changed a few things around I think that would have been a good series finale. Painfully bitter sweet, peaceful, sad and hopeful. Part of me thinks it should have ended at that, but the other part is so happy we have a season six. This was Kripke's five year story and vision for the show, so it was his finale. The CW really calls the shots and so if they want a season six then we get a season six. I can see why some people may be unhappy with the episode and I can see why people are very happy with it.

Sam and Dean.... I thought their dynamic throughout this one was beautiful. They were equals, partners, brothers and a team. Dean finally realized, truly realized, that Sam was strong (I mean that he always knew he was strong, but this was different) and that he could do this. He let Sam go. He didn't like it, he wasn't there to try and save Sam, he wasn't there to try and stop Sam from doing something 'stupid' he was there to support his brother and be with him until the end. The Dean before would have been digging in his heels so far that he'd be back in Hell. He and Sam would have been at each others throats. Instead he had to let Sam go to do what he needed to do, which for Dean was the hardest thing, a Big Brother finally letting his Little Brother move on beyond him. To give Sam the confidence and the strength to sacrifice himself for humanity. There is so much love between those two and it showed in this episode more than ever. Yes they have fought, they have both walked away from each other, they have gone quite literally to Hell and back for each other, but this episode was about their love and acceptance of each other. They saw each other really for the first time, I think, as the screwed up, beautiful, infuriatingly stubborn, annoying, passionate, loving adults that they are. Everything all in one and that was OK. Both of them have fucked up a lot and it was hard for them to get past some of it, but none of that mattered. What mattered was that they were together in the end and each of them had to let go of each other. Love. That's what was the end was about, Sam and Dean. Not Dean!Michael vs. Sam!Lucifer, just the two like it was always meant to be. The more I think of it the more happy I am with what they did.

If Dean hadn't been there at the end with Sam then Sam wouldn't have been able to take back his body and everyone would be SOL. That's the power of the connection those two have with each other. They each give and take from each other which is what made them succeed and fail in the end. Ok, maybe fail is the wrong word, but that's the only one I can think of at the moment. These two grew so much throughout the season that I cannot wait to see what will happen next. I finally feel like they are complete and utter equals, but in different ways. Not sure if that makes sense, but whatever.

The montages with the past episodes and past things that they did were beautiful, I think. Not only did it remind us of what they've been through, it showed us how normal they were. Yeah, those boys normal, who knew? :P Anyway, I loved that.

The ending with Lisa was really good, I think. I know some think otherwise, but it makes sense. I'm still not 100% sold on the way they developed that bit so late in the season, but after reading what elvensapphire wrote in a previous entry of mine about Dean just showing up on Lisa's doorstep made sense to me and turned my opinion around. Did Dean want to go back to Lisa in the end? No. He wanted to get revenge. He wanted to find a way to bring Sam back to him. He wanted to die. But Sam made him promise because Sam knew exactly what he would do if he didn't. Sam knew he had to make Dean do this to save his brother. If it wasn't Lisa then I'm sure Sam would have made some similar thing for Dean to do. For once Dean listened to Sam to make Sam have some kind of piece of mind, to make Sam feel better about what he was doing. Will Dean stay with Lisa? Doubtful. Mainly because we are getting a season six and they have to continue the brother's journey together, so there's our answer. I also think that Dean wouldn't be fully happy in that 'apple pie' type of life. Yes parts of him would welcome this kind of change, embrace the normalcy of it all, but really this boy has been through so much that part of him will always want to be on that road saving people, hunting things.

The voiceovers with Chuck were awesome, I think. They sewed Dean and Sam together even more this episode. He also touched on really how important the Impala really is. Yes it's a car, but it's also their home, one of their few constants that they've always had. She's an extension of the two, maybe Dean more so than Sam, but she's still such an intergeral part of these two boys that you cannot just ignore her.

Chuck is God? I don't know. If he is I'm not completely sure how to feel about that. It makes sense to me and it doesn't at the same time. There are a few plot holes (like Chuck eluded to) about that that kind of makes me wonder. I guess that's why Kripke threw in the line about how the fans will bitch no matter what. Still, if Chuck was God the whole time then I think it was pretty clever of them.

Castiel and Bobby dying? Yeah, I had a feeling that would happen, but what I didn't foresee as to how it would happen. I knew they would most likely be killed by Lucifer, but the abruptness and lack of... something, I'm not quite sure how to put it, was a bit off putting to me. Cas blowing up was like 'LOLZ ASSBUTT! ...did he just go boom?!?!?! ' and Bobby just crumpling to the ground was heartbreaking. I'm glad they are alive and we'll see them again. Even though Cas may not be around as much I am fine with that. We really need to move on from the whole Angels vs. Demons thing. I enjoyed the storyline, but it's run its course. Bobby should be back for every episode because Bobby Singer is that badass. Actually, I think Bobby Singer should have been god. :P

So. Sammy. Or Lucifer? I can see people thinking that it's really Lucifer since the street lamp blew out. I personally think that there may be more to it than that. Maybe Sam and Lucifer are both in there or Sam changed getting out of the pit somehow. All that demon blood could be making things go wonky. Either way I think it'll be interesting when the new season starts. I'd find it a bit hard to believe that it'll be just 'Sam' when we see him next. It probably is Lucifer, but I'm kind hoping it's not just that. The Lucifer thing has been done and I want the show to move on. The line that Sam said in the last episode, Remember when we just used to hunt Wendigo's?, makes me want that again so much. They've done the apocalypse thing and now I want what this show was all about, two brothers on a road trip across America hunting weird shit each week. I love the big grand stories of the show, but I also love the lower scale of some of the stories that they've done.

Anyway, Sam is back in some shape or form. Maybe he can't remember what happened to him and he's just wandering around now, but then that doesn't really make sense since he went to see Dean. Or maybe he's going to intentionally stay away from Dean so he could give him that life. I don't know. There's so many ideas going through my head about what's really up with Sam I don't know where to start.

Wow, long. Oops. Well, if you read all this weird rambling of mind you get a cookie.

In short, I LOVE YOU SHOW SO MUCH, NO MATTER WHAT I MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE WITH. *HUGZ*

Comments

[boromirslover.livejournal.com]

I read it all. Yay for free cookie. :)

I just want to say I enjoyed the finale. :D

I wonder about the whole Sam being back too. It is going to bother me all summer. lol I am excited and nervous about the next season.

[leggyslove.livejournal.com]

I think there will be so much theorizing over the summer about it we'll all welcome the relief of it coming back in the fall.

[nicefeet.livejournal.com]

YES. SHOW = ♥ ♥ ♥

For once Dean listened to Sam to make Sam have some kind of piece of mind, to make Sam feel better about what he was doing.

I like this. This is an aspect I hadn't thought too hard about. It is a good motivation for Dean above and beyond the promise itself.

[leggyslove.livejournal.com]

This show will end me... eventually. ;)

[elvensapphire.livejournal.com]

I have such long thinky thoughts that I could post in reply to your ramblings but maybe I should just write my own post? xD

That said - I agree basically 100 percent with absolutely everything you said and it also made me a little teary (wtf hormones go away) and just...THIS IS REASON 5406948 WHY WE ARE FRIENDS. We think alike. Because...yes. This episode was beautiful and poignant, and it was about growing up and moving on, and it was about love, and so much of it felt right. This show has gotten me to love and adore it more than anything and it has also pissed me off no end and made me want to shoot it in the face - which I guess is sort of the point, really, because that's what Dean and Sam are. They're flawed and they mess up and they get angry and they've left plot holes, but in the end, it's all about that love being stronger than any of the problems. Which is why it would have been such a good ending.

I'm glad there's a S6, but I hope they don't spend too much time on anti-climax or weird backtracking or mucking up their relationship (once again). People are like, "Sam's back!!1! Maybe he's a ghost, maybe God brought him back, maybe he won't tell Dean because he wants Dean to be 'normal,' but Dean will find out and be pissed" and my head screams, "DO NOT WANT" at that. Their tortured, angst-filled relationship needs to be over. They've grown up so much and they've suffered enough. Just as the Judeo-Christian Angels vs. Demons Apocalypse storyline needs to be over. We've had quite enough of both, and they deserve better. I want to see the "saving people, hunting things, the family business," come back, but I want to see it done in a healthy, realistic way, and I want them both to have the chance to be free, to be themselves. They've earned it, and by extension, so have we.

[leggyslove.livejournal.com]

LOL I look forward to your post.

OMG I AM HAPPY WE ARE FRENZ BECAUSE WE THINK ALIKE. :D :D :D

I'm all teary after writing this. Yes I cried during the episode, but it hadn't really hit me until after writing this out. *clings* Either that or I'm just tired from volunteering this morning.

I agree, I hope they don't put yet another 'rift' between the two. They need to have them settle into what what they need and are meant to be. I have a feeling that they will go the route with Sam not telling Dean he's back so he could have a 'normal' life and then Dean would be pissed, but I'd rather that than have more of the Lucifer/God stuff. I loved it, but its done its duty. Let's move on. However, that could open it up for more growth on Dean's part. Yes he'd be pissed, he'd be hurt, but I think he'd come to realize what Sam was giving him and how much of a gift that is. Dean is shattered and it will take a long while for him to get patched up or even semi patched up again. Sam realizes that if Dean knows he's back then that is all over. So now it's Sam sacrificing himself for Dean, not the other way around like it has been.

Then they will make up and skip off together, shooting monsters, getting rid of ghosts, chasing rainbows and unicorns.

[ETA] If you reply and I don't reply right away it's because I am going to bed and sleepingz. :D

*HUGS*

[padabee.livejournal.com]

Cas blowing up was like 'LOLZ ASSBUTT! ...did he just go boom?!?!?! '
lol Yes, I was sitting there still half giggling and O.O

[leggyslove.livejournal.com]

at least Cas went out with a bang.

...I'm so sorry. LOL

[padabee.livejournal.com]

LMAO! Had to be said. *g*

[coffeebits.livejournal.com]

the only thing that kind of irked me about the finale was that i expected Lucifer to be more epic than a regular demon.

I thought the episode itself was great.

[leggyslove.livejournal.com]

I did feel like Lucifer was a bit less epic than normal as well, but whatever, it was still great.

[oohasparklie.livejournal.com]

Yay! More! Okay, yeah, I basically agree with everything you said.

I thought it might be really cool if it's really just Sam that has come back, but he decides not to let Dean know he's alive and he goes off and continues to hunt and Dean ends up finding out he's alive somehow down the road.

And BOBBY IS ALIVE! Thank God.

[leggyslove.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking (and hoping) they go that route as well. Like I've said, I think they've done the Lucifer/Apocalypse thing and now they need to move on from it.

[trimalynn.livejournal.com]

Chuck is god? Who said that, is this a theory amongst the fandom? Or did I entirely miss something in the finale? 'splain!!!

[leggyslove.livejournal.com]

That's the general theory going around right now since Chuck disappeared in the end.

[leia-grace.livejournal.com]

I really enjoyed it - (I've been thinking Bobby is God for a bit now...)

One thing though - I HATE LISA. So random and out of the blue. I really don't think Dean wants to be with her. He might think he wants that life - and even if he really does - I don't think it's with her.

He shouldn't have a premade family there - he should be able to make his own!

[earendilgrey.livejournal.com]

Actually, I think Bobby Singer should have been god

THIS X 1,00000,00000000,00000000000000000.....

I was so sad when Bobby died, but at least he came back. I actually laughed a bit when Cas blew up, but I couldn't help it. It was one of those sudden things that just came out. Plus all I could think of was Artz from LOST.

"Dude, you got some Cas on you."